A Thank You for Israel Hicks

River NigerMy teacher, Israel Hicks, died on the 3rd of July (see the New York Times obituary); but I didn’t hear about it until this week. In a way, it was appropriate that I’d learn of Israel’s passing while I was at Carnegie Mellon. All of my memories of him are there.

The first time I remember seeing him was at my audition interview. I was being questioned by an acting teacher, Dick Shank, about why I – at age 18 – thought I “deserved” to attend Carnegie Mellon as an undergraduate director. Israel sat at the table with us, and said not one word. He just stared. I figured he was trying to intimidate me: this black guy wearing this leather jacket doing his Clarence Williams, III impersonation. I just looked at him like he’d lost his mind, and proceeded to assert that I belonged at that school. I knew it. Felt it. Wanted it.

Apparently, Israel and Dick believed me. I was accepted.

The next time I saw Israel was on the first day of acting class – when he went around the room and called each and every one of us by name. We were all astonished… and a little bit unnerved. As he intended.

At the end of sophomore year, he talked to me about how things would be when I started directing classes the following fall. He told me to play strategy games like chess. “Directors always have to think ahead,” he said.

He assured I would be well-served by directing teacher, Larry Carra, and the book (Fundamentals of Directing). Then he led me to a window, and told me I’d be even better served by figuring out why the young woman approaching us crossed to the right of a tree instead of the left.

As a junior, I was Israel’s stage manager on a production of River Niger. Determined to do well, I took a hard line with everyone – including Israel. The edge of our newly-built set was fragile, and I commanded all within hearing of my extremely loud voice that they were NOT to jump off the edge of that set! Later, I overheard Israel asking “is the general around?” before he jumped off the edge of the set.

For opening night, I was given a T-shirt stenciled, “The General.” I cherished it.

He’d told me once that I wasn’t mature enough to be a good director. At the end of junior year, I asked if I was mature enough now. He replied, “If you have to ask, then you’re not.” He walked away, and I had to laugh at myself. I could, because he’d taught me how.

Israel Hicks was my teacher. He made me a better artist, a better director and writer, a better person. Because of him, I’ve never approached a script without asking “why.” “Why did she turn on the TV instead of picking up the paper?” “Why is he smiling after that line instead of the next?” “Why would he move upstage of the couch instead of downstage?”

Why didn’t I ever reach out to Israel to thank him? I wish I had.

There is some comfort. Since the man was always six steps ahead of everybody else, he probably knew how much he enriched my life before I did. But for the record, thank you, Israel.

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Casting Director Mary Clay Boland on Saying Goodbye to As the World Turns

Van Hansis (Luke) ATWT Photo

Van Hansis (Luke) ATWT

The daytime drama, As the World Turns, was cancelled after being broadcast for 54 years. The last episode of the soap opera aired on 9/17/10. Here, casting director Mary Clay Boland shares what she appreciates most about her eight-year tenure in soaps.

Susan Dansby:  What’s your biggest takeaway from your time on World Turns? What was the thing that most impressed you about the years that you spent there or the biggest surprise?

Mary Clay Boland:  Well, I think there were a couple of things.  One was the acting caliber. 

I’ll be honest.  I was working at Warner Bros. for three years doing their prime-time television; and I walked in thinking that soap opera actors weren’t as skilled – I don’t know what I was thinking.  I thought you just were looking for hot people. 

Jake Silbermann (Noah) ATWT

Jake Silbermann (Noah) ATWT

And actually daytime is ten times harder than anything else because the writing is so much more dramatic in that – for 54 years we have told every story there is to tell. And the writers have to tell a story over a five-day period.  People just don’t understand.

Also we don’t have the production value and money that a prime-time show has, so if you have to do a scene where a car explodes or something like that, you are not dealing with – the special effects are not going to act for you.  The editing is not going to act for you.  You have to sell it.  It is up to the actor to sell the words.

And I just was blown away at how these actors would take scenes and just make them wonderful, and create these characters. Also the fact that they had to do 30 to 40 pages a day is unheard of in any other medium.

So I really just took away nothing but respect for actors and also actors that work in daytime drama.  They really worked their butts off. And I really believe that if you have done daytime successfully that you can translate that into any other medium as an actor.

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How Casting Directors Promote, Protect and Defend Actors During the Audition Process

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Casting director, Mary Clay Boland (formerly of As the World Turns) discusses the audition process in soaps. She explains why it might be a good idea to go over your audition material with the casting director before you’re seen by producers.

Marnie Schulenberg (Alison) ATWT©John Paschal/jpistudios.com

Marnie Schulenberg (Alison) ATWT

Susan Dansby:  And when actors get sides, (which for those people who are not in the industry is basically a scene that the actor is going to read), do they generally read with the casting director or with an assistant?

Mary Clay Boland:  Now with me, with daytime, I was in charge of all the principals and recurrings [actors who aren’t under contract, but have a large amount of dialogue, and who may appear numerous times] and contracts [actors under contract to perform 1-3 times a week]. I had an associate in charge of all the Under 5s [characters with five or less lines of dialogue] and then our assistant, Kate [Martineau Adams], was in charge of all the background. 

So it depends on how the office is set up. But, usually, you do come in for the associate or the casting director to read, and then Continue reading

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Where Casting Directors Search for Actors and the Two Worst Audition Mistakes

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The Juilliard SchoolIn this interview, casting director, Mary Clay Boland (formerly of As the World Turns) reveals where casting directors look for fresh talent. She also warns against two huge mistakes actors can make when auditioning.

Susan Dansby:  Now where do you look for actors? Because that is another misconception, I think.  People don’t realize how often casting directors go Continue reading

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Casting Director Mary Clay Boland Reveals How Theatre Actors Get Hired, Part 2

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In Part 2 of this two-part interview, casting director Mary Clay Boland goes into more detail about how theatre actors are hired.

Ellen Dolan Credit: Bleacher & Everard/PGPSusan Dansby: So then you get a feel for what everybody is looking for and then…

Mary Clay Boland: And then, the casting director or the casting associate – it depends on who’s taking the lead on the project – has multiple pre-screens: Which means you put out what’s called the breakdown, through Breakdown Services and list the roles that you’re looking for. 

Then you get agent submissions, and then you also come up with your own idea lists. And if you going to go celebrity – if you are going to do that type of casting – it’s all just lists. And then you have meetings and make offers.

If you’re looking for a fresh face, then you put out Continue reading

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Casting Director Mary Clay Boland Reveals How Theatre Actors Get Hired, Part 1

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Anita Hollander in the Fifth SeasonSusan Dansby: Let’s talk about casting plays.  What’s the first step? 

Mary Clay Boland:  For theatre, it is a little bit of a different process than film and television. The playwright is so much more involved than usually the script writer of television and things like that.   

The first thing you do is – officially the play is being produced. It’s happening.  So, they need to get a casting person on board. You’re going to meet with the playwright and the director. 

And it depends on what theatre company you’re working with as to how much say the producers have.  Some producers are very hands-off and say, “I’m going to leave it to the director and his vision or her vision – and the playwright.” But some producers are very hands-on and say, “Oh you know, I’ve done this a long time, so I have an opinion as well.” 
 

You meet with all the people who are going to be in there making the final decision, and try and get a feel for them. In casting, it’s very important – not only do you want to find the right person for the role, but you also have to get to know the director [and] help them bring their vision to life.  

You’re not the director. So, you want an actor who you think is right for the role and who you respect, and you want them to get that role; but you also need the director to be really happy with who they are going to be working with. You’re doing a moderator job almost. 

Susan Dansby:  I think sometimes actors don’t appreciate how important it is for the casting director not to waste the time of the director, the producer, etc.  You can’t quote-unquote try somebody or give them a shot when they’re the antithesis of what the person who’s paying you has asked for. 

Mary Clay Boland:  Exactly. And I’ve always stressed that in other interviews. And when I talk to actors, I always make it clear that the casting director is the cheerleader for the actor.  We are the actor’s voice in the room.  

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I think there’s a misconception from – I don’t know if it comes from back in the day where the casting director was intimidating and kind of scared the actor.  Actually, [the casting director] is the person who is in the room saying, “No, I think you should go this way, I think you should go that way.”  They’re the ones saying, “Well, if you didn’t see it today I can tell you right now, I have seen it on this and this, and I beg of you to give them another shot.” We’re really there rooting for the actor. 

So, yes, if we don’t think you’re right for that specific role or for that director, then we’re trying to do you a favor and not bring you in.

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Mary Clay Boland’s Love of Great Acting Got Her Dream Jobs in Theatre, Television and Film

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After spending an internship year at Circle Repertory Theatre, Mary Clay Boland was positive that she wanted to become a professional casting director. 

Mary Clay Boland:  When my year was up, I sent out my resume diligently. And I was lucky enough to get hired by Lynn Kressel Casting – who, at that time, was only casting Law & Order UKone Law and Order because only one existed, believe it or not.  And she also worked on, she does all the Hallmark Hall of Fame movies; and basically, she did Universal Television. 

I worked there for a couple of months as an assistant sort of on all the projects; and that was quite different from the theatre that I had just been working in.  So, that was sort of a jarring experience.  I learned a lot, but it definitely made me think I may want to stick with theatre.

I left TV and went back in to theatre for another year working for a casting director in Continue reading

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How Casting Director Mary Clay Boland Found Her Dream Job Description in an Internship Book

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Mary Clay BolandMary Clay Boland was the casting director for As the World Turns. During her successful career she’s worked in casting for theatre and film as well as television; and she’s received two Emmy®  Awards for Outstanding Achievement in Casting for a Drama Series. Here she answers the question, How Did You Get That Job?

Mary Clay Boland:  When I was in college, I was a theatre and communications Continue reading

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Audio Recording with Actor Ellen Dolan as Susan Dansby Asks: How Did You Get That Job?

Ellen Dolan Credit: Bleacher & Everard/PGPHear the full 17-minute interview as writer Susan Dansby talks to actor Ellen Dolan (Margo, As the World Turns), by clicking the link below.

Listen to out how Ellen got her big break on Guiding Light, the call from Doug Marland that brought her back to soaps, the bias toward soap professionals, a favorite quote from fellow actor, Peter Simon (Ed Bauer, Guiding Light) and the remarkable gift Ellen’s soap opera lifestyle allowed her to have.

Click here to hear the full Ellen Dolan/Susan Dansby interview.

 

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Ellen Dolan on Why She’s Thankful for As the World Turns and What’s Next

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As The World TurnsActor Ellen Dolan (Margo Hughes, As the World Turns) talks about the surprising gifts that came from acting on the soap opera. She also reveals plans for an upcoming independent film project.

Susan Dansby: Well, let’s talk about what’s next for you. So you’re going to be making a movie?

Ellen Dolan: I am going to be in a movie back home in Iowa. Coming full circle. Continue reading

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